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DaveRave113
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« on: July 21, 2009, 03:48:31 PM »

Alinghi 5 - First sail - 20 July 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkB8ANVIzfY ('as is' audio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPef0qbNFWM (music overlay)

before i could finish looking at the lines of the boat, i suddenly realized how small crew members looked - i'm certainly not used to seeing cats this big.  main sail shape also had me thinking.

"hello, operator?  can you get me the other side of the boat?"
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 04:45:24 PM »

Hate to be on the stern during a pitch pole.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 12:17:39 AM »

Don't know the mast height of the Alinghi 5, but the challenger, likely the BMW Oracle 90, at about the same length, has some specs posted on Wikipedia:

Overall Length: 100-feet / ~30 meters
Waterline Length: 90-feet / ~27 meters
Beam: 90-feet / ~27 meters
Mast height: 158-feet / ~48 meters

Mainsail: 5,000 square feet / ~500 square meters
Headsail: 3,500 square feet / ~360 square meters
Gennaker: 7,000 square feet / ~700 square meters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RojuTHUPjjk

"Sweet tea in the morning - that's alotta sail!"
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 03:31:35 PM »

BOR 90 adds an innovation - a wing mast replaces the standard 'soft' main.

Watch (one of several): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KyVm8ilcxU

Read: http://bmworacleracing.com/en/yacht/index.html

From the website:

Notes on the wing:

The wing sail consists of two main components: the main element and the flap element. The main element is one single piece that rotates around the mast step. Eight individual flaps rotate around the trailing edge of the main element. Both elements are separated by a small gap and linked together by nine main hinges.

The wing is primarily constructed from carbon fibre and kevlar with a light, shrinkable aeronautical film material used as an overall skin over the frame. Nearly 40,000 man-hours of construction went into building it.

According to Joseph Ozanne, an aeronautical specialist with the BMW ORACLE Racing design team, the ability to trim the wing easily is one of its big advantages over a soft sail.

With a soft sail, it's so big, it's difficult to shape as you only have control over three points (head, tack, clew). You need massive tension to trim the soft sail,” he says. “With a wing sail, you can get the shape you want much more easily.”

The main trim parameters are: master wing rotation (similar to mast rotation on a conventional rig); master camber control (general rotation of the flap element); flap twist control (each flap can have a specific angle of rotation).

“On paper, it's a clear advantage over the soft sail,” Ozanne says. “It’s on such a different scale to what has been done before, it's hard not to have some uncertainty. But we are more and more confident... I think it's going to be a strong addition for us.”
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 10:22:10 PM »

HAHA if only that was true. Being at work would certainly be more interesting..
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 07:59:01 AM »

Well folks, a trimaran has won the America’s Cup.  Of course an innovative wing-sail and daggers that are partly hydrofoil to assist in keeping the leeward ama higher in the water were a great help.

Thinking of that wing-sail, the waterline and the beam of the USA were both nominally 90’, while the wing-sail was said to be 223’ from the deck up.  This gives a height-to-footprint ratio of about 2.5:1.  If applied to our 16’ and 17’ Windriders, that would give us masts rising 40+ feet above the water.

Guess I need to get me a longer trailer  Grin

Some video here: Americas Cup Youtube channel.

Other information here: Official Americas Cup site.
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